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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by Audles » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:23 pm

I have made multiple 12x12 terrain boards of my own and still went in hard on these. I'll be dumping the ones I've made. Why? Because they're smaller, better looking and will work better all while taking up less space. The ability to quickly and easily deploy rooms in a variety of formats will dramatically increase the flexibility I have in prepping 5e games.

I think these are super cool and I'm looking forward to using them.

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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by AnimeSensei » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:40 pm

I see the advantages of both. I game in my home, not a garage or a basement, so large boards are just not practical for use in my gaming space. While terrain trays can be cool, for me I would probably rather just buy some high quality cardstock with printed negative space elements on it if I really needed them. I actually prefer stuff like the water set over negative space (with the exception of deep holes where I just use something black like a piece of paper or a black cloth); I like having the tiles for most things. I do have an outdoor green Hotzmat with squares marked, however. But neither plywood or terrain trays really fit 99% of my gaming.
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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by Rabbit Burner » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:10 am

GODofwar wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:08 am
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:05 am
Sorry but while there are cheaper alternatives which also allow you to have the 'terrain' you want exactly, none will be as convenient as what DF are providing.

The main reason ? we do not have to make them :)
Wood or metal will all require working and treating which all takes time which we prefer to spend elsewhere, so when you don't have any they are a very obvious option to your negative space needs.

We want them - so they are of use even if they are no use to others - simple :)
CLearly, Rabbits and Weasels will (and should) have different requirements

I will point out that wood plates take about this much time:
--Tocut a plywood 3/8" 4/x8 sheet into 2x2.5' plates, about 25 minutes (ie, 4 min/plate)

Cost: Probably about $20US, or about $3US per plate.

Spray painting the plywood sheet green: 10 minutes and about $3US.

So the time to prepare is a total of about 35 minutes for 6 plates, 6 minutes a plate. Not much. The cost is about $3.50 per plate. The plates are 5 times as big as a Terrain unit so the unit cost comparison is about 70cents US versus what, $10 us for a terrain plate? 15:1 cost.

Certainly, if people need the magnetic properties, go for it. I"m not trying to persuade Trogs or Rabbits not to get terrain plates of wood instead of DwF plates. They are very different. But the time/$ costs favor wood plates very much.

They are very different, but I suggest that time is a very small factor, and the cost is a WHOLE lot less (


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Thank you for making our case :)

What we didn't emphasise is the size of your plates which is gives us the same problem as geekjeff and that you need two people to deploy them.

You also fail to take into account the time spent acquiring the material, we don't have that material just laying around (though we may have the tools) and no idea if we could order the material via internet with any confidence of accuracy.

Our skills lean more toward earning money to pay skilled professionals, than having the time, equipment and skills to do it ourselves.

Totally envious of your setup and the ability to multiple levels which can be used independently of the other plates. You have done a fantastic job with those :) and so much cheaper than Terrain Trays we really can certainly see the appeal

But its not generally required in wargaming so whilst totally impressed we feel we don't need to look at reproducing it for our game table.

For us the appeal of terrain trays is the ease of use of negative space without the need of an entire mat, again these could be done by hand but to get them thin enough not cause height issues and to be robust enough for repeated use makes purchasing Terrain Trays a very attractive option.

So will agree with the sentiment - Clearly, Rabbits and Weasels will (and should) have different requirements

And honestly have you ever watched rabbits trying to use power tools!?
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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by dice4hire » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:04 am

With that shelf, yes, terrain trays are a no brainer!!1
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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by geekjeff » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:09 am

GODofwar wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:08 am

CLearly, Rabbits and Weasels will (and should) have different requirements
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Different folks, different strokes. While your 24x30” flyboards sound awesome, i would need a whole extra room to store them in, which i do not have.

What i do have right behind my dining room table is this:
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I LOVE the fact that in each of those ubiquitous little shelf cubes, I can rack up 6 square feet of solid, magnetically organized, super quickly deployable terrain. The fact that the Trays look super polished and can be used for negative space water & lava builds is a huge plus too.

i think i like the 12x12” chunks better for progressive reveal of a dungeon too, but then again I’ll likely never have the space to drop 5 square feet of Stuff onto the table at once anyways.

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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by GODofwar » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:08 am

Rabbit Burner wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:05 am
Sorry but while there are cheaper alternatives which also allow you to have the 'terrain' you want exactly, none will be as convenient as what DF are providing.

The main reason ? we do not have to make them :)
Wood or metal will all require working and treating which all takes time which we prefer to spend elsewhere, so when you don't have any they are a very obvious option to your negative space needs.

We want them - so they are of use even if they are no use to others - simple :)
CLearly, Rabbits and Weasels will (and should) have different requirements

I will point out that wood plates take about this much time:
--Tocut a plywood 3/8" 4/x8 sheet into 2x2.5' plates, about 25 minutes (ie, 4 min/plate)

Cost: Probably about $20US, or about $3US per plate.

Spray painting the plywood sheet green: 10 minutes and about $3US.

So the time to prepare is a total of about 35 minutes for 6 plates, 6 minutes a plate. Not much. The cost is about $3.50 per plate. The plates are 5 times as big as a Terrain unit so the unit cost comparison is about 70cents US versus what, $10 us for a terrain plate? 15:1 cost.

Certainly, if people need the magnetic properties, go for it. I"m not trying to persuade Trogs or Rabbits not to get terrain plates of wood instead of DwF plates. They are very different. But the time/$ costs favor wood plates very much.

They are very different, but I suggest that time is a very small factor, and the cost is a WHOLE lot less (


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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by Rabbit Burner » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:05 am

Sorry but while there are cheaper alternatives which also allow you to have the 'terrain' you want exactly, none will be as convenient as what DF are providing.

The main reason ? we do not have to make them :)
Wood or metal will all require working and treating which all takes time which we prefer to spend elsewhere, so when you don't have any they are a very obvious option to your negative space needs.

We want them - so they are of use even if they are no use to others - simple :)
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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by GODofwar » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:16 pm

Kitenerd is weak.

Kitenerd, send your treasure to me to keep safely, away from your weakness.

I promise, you will spend no more on terrain trays.....


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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by kitenerd » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:55 pm

GODofwar wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:41 pm
kitenerd wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:46 pm
welcome to the forums trondkla!

terrain trays are super cool and definitely a game changer - i have a 4 story "house" right now that the kids are laying siege to - when i move it to the dinning room table the twins ferry parts back and forth and i reconstruct it- terrain trays would make that a much faster process

I'm stubborn.

I still see absolutely no use for these terrain trays.

We've been using 2' x 2.5 plywood plates for nigh on two years how. When they are full, they require two people to lift - but two can lift 'em easily. I have never had a serious accident with DwF pieces coming off (once or twice an edge piece has dropped off).

I think the terrain tray are expensive and unnecessary....

....UNLESS youwant to do the occasional upside-down set. For that maybe.

I can buy linoleum 12" x 12" for color - and I can get almost any color in the world cheap.

SOlly, cholly, no tiles for moi. I strongly suggest new users consider carefully before getting these. Try cheaper alternatives first.

Gonna continue to be contrarion on this one piece.


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ABSOLUTELY - there are lots of cooler and cheaper ways to do this....- I use plywood and Biowaizrds cool thin black plexi

But terrain trays are VERY seductive - They are just sooo nice.... must have... want... just a few more...
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Re: Terrain Trays

Post by dice4hire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:54 pm

I also see terrain trays as possible to do in house, maybe not a slick but they can be done.
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