What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by GODofwar » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:13 pm

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Yah, too many fo the vaccine researchers seem too fixated on the 0 risk model of a vaccine, likely due to past litigation on vaccines that worked, in most folks, but happened to harm even a few.
This thinking is shown over and over again in official pronouncements. Scares me b/c it signals that our institutions do not have a reality based grasp of the situation.

The globe is in another paradigm now and if something can help millions, but puts a handful at risk, those are odds we need to really consider since the alternative is many of those millions would otherwise get sick and potentially die without the vaccine. We cannot let perfect be the enemy of very good.
Or even a very bad that is better than the alternative. What gives med guys the willies is that there could be very large but long-term effects. But by definition we won't know that till the long term - 10-30 years from now. Ain't gonna wait that long.

The world really does not have the luxury of waiting for the perfect do no harm vaccine or medication. The extended lockdown and shuttering of normal business and life also presents a risk of death due to increased medical issues that are not being treated, mental health issues coming into play and just decreased nutrition as normal life and food access becomes an issue. The simple, edict of shut everything down, cannot be any sort of long term solution.
Concur. We are living with several generations that are experiencing situations with high risk for the first times in their lives. They are not handling it well.


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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by zenako » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:32 pm

Yah, too many fo the vaccine researchers seem too fixated on the 0 risk model of a vaccine, likely due to past litigation on vaccines that worked, in most folks, but happened to harm even a few.

The globe is in another paradigm now and if something can help millions, but puts a handful at risk, those are odds we need to really consider since the alternative is many of those millions would otherwise get sick and potentially die without the vaccine. We cannot let perfect be the enemy of very good.

The world really does not have the luxury of waiting for the perfect do no harm vaccine or medication. The extended lockdown and shuttering of normal business and life also presents a risk of death due to increased medical issues that are not being treated, mental health issues coming into play and just decreased nutrition as normal life and food access becomes an issue. The simple, edict of shut everything down, cannot be any sort of long term solution.

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by GODofwar » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:55 pm

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In the UK we have seen how the government are trying to restricted the strain on the NHS so current cases do not overwhelm their resources.
What exactly have those measures been, Rabbit? I don't trust the media. They've been dismal on accurate reporting.

Which makes sense, but what no one seems to want to spell out is that this current enforced social distancing will be the first of several.

Until a robust vaccine is produced, then the virus will keep spreading, social distancing slows it down. The best way to get through this pandemic will be for the healthy to catch it and breeze through it or be able to be treated by the Health services.
Social distancing slows it down...but a 100% complete lockdown for 14 days would stop it cold. Lockdown + distancing, YMMV.

Once you have survived you will either be more resistant or even immune to further outbreaks. So you can now go about your daily lives (kinda).
Actually, we don't know this. Not ALL diseases produce enough immunity to prevent repeat infections (although many, maybe even most do). Problem is time to immunity zero. For measles, its a lifetime, literally. For other diseases, as little as 90 days. This matters a lot WRT to your strategy outline, Rabbit.

So to keep those that suffer more from overwhelming the Health services, you impose social distancing and various lockdowns, then once the cases ease off you remove the distancing and lockdowns, let the virus spread again, infecting the healthy then go back into distancing and lockdown keeping the numbers down that the health services have to deal with.

So the cycles continue until either a vaccine or all the healthy have been through it and proven to be either immune or less vulnerable to repeat infections.

The above we think is termed herd immunity and is now we naturally fight similar if less deadly infections.

It also basically accepts that people will die, but the numbers kept down and is absolute pain and economic nightmare there is currently no other way of preventing more deaths.
Brutal fact: Doctors are already performing triage, and deciding who dies right now and who lives right now.

What it fails to deal with is those that are at most risk, with current serious health issues. These cannot afford to catch COVID19 or they will most likely die, we are talking a minimum of 1.5 million people in the UK just over 2% of the population.

So until a vaccine with no side effects that affect their current conditions, is produced they have to remain in total isolation.
Prediction: We will forget the normal testing regimes...and we will risk using untested vaccines fairly soon.

Things should get easier as more of the healthy populace recover from infection and can interact, but they will need a conclusive test that guarantees an accurate result. Before lifting the restrictions, especially if you come into contact with those at most risk.

Bottom Line = this isn't going away in a hurry :(
Nooo kidding. Gonna get ugly.

Could make one wish one had a nice dark, dank underground warren to seal off and play Masque of the Red Death in.



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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by GODofwar » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:49 pm

Riley wrote:
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600lbpanther wrote:
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I'm going to live forever.

Bring on KS7.

I have 10k to spend and I'm ready.
It’s a panther!

Hi kitty. Nice kitty.

No, is THE panther, Riley!

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by GODofwar » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:48 pm

600lbpanther wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pm
I'm going to live forever.

Bring on KS7.

I have 10k to spend and I'm ready.
Panther, where the heck y'all been, boy? You've been missed!

You've been 'dormant' as an early invading COVID, not surprising you have a stash built up!


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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by Rabbit Burner » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:28 pm

Very nice work d4h - they look different with flesh tones

Top Job :)
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Post by dice4hire » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:45 am

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by NiandoBG » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 am

dice4hire wrote:
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And for a lighter note ...
Got my mounted guys done today
Very cool. I haven‘t thought about using a „normal“ skin tone at these minis. :o
Your pictures sold me immediately. :)
I will go this route as well when I will paint them. :D

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by dice4hire » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:23 pm

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Re: What’s the latest on when KS7 launches?

Post by Gargs454 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:13 pm

Good points Rabbit. Technically, they currently don't even know if getting, and recovering from, Covid-19 will protect you in the future. There are, obviously, many diseases that you can catch over and over again, the common cold, which is a different strain of Covid, is a prime example. They won't be able to know for sure until they are able to regularly test for Covid-19 antibodies as currently they are testing solely for the presence of Covid itself. The good news is that here in the States, the FDA just announced that they have approved emergency authorization of the first antibody test.

Short analysis: Antibodies are what your body produces when fighting a disease. There are a number of different antibodies that your body will produce when fighting any given disease. The important one that they will be looking for is a particular antibody that your body only ever produces once. This will then allow them to test a patient for antibodies and if they find not only Covid antibodies, but the one particular antibody, they know it is the patient's first infection. If they find Covid antibodies, but not the one particular antibody, then they know the patient has been reinfected. The working theory at the moment is that probably, this will work like a number of other diseases out there in that once you get it, you'll pretty much be good to go assuming you recover. Unfortunately though, they don't know that for sure.

But yes, the concept of herd immunity is very important here, and its a big reason why in general people are encouraged to get vaccines when they can. There are some children for instance, who for medical reasons, can't get a vaccine, but if everyone else gets the vaccine, then those children are at a much, much, lower risk of getting said disease since there's nobody to catch it from.

The other question will be that even if getting, and recovering from, Covid enables you to at worst, fight it much easier in the future, can you still transmit it? Maybe you become a carrier even if it doesn't really affect you. This is a very real and frightening possibility. Already they are estimating that between 25 and 50% of people infected with Covid may show few, if any, symptoms. Good for that person, not so much for the general populace since it is very communicable.

Just a quick update from the relatively small area I reside in. The wife's hospital had a patient who was in the hospital for non related reasons. While there, it was believed the patient had developed a urinary tact infection (UTI). Patient was treated for the infection but two days later still had a fever. Patient was finally tested for Covid and moved to an isolation room while they waited the several days for the test to come back. Up to that point though, the patient had "exposed" roughly 50 employees. Fast forward almost a week and the patient is confirmed positive. As are two employees. Several more employees have been home sick, but "are not sick enough to test". The problem of course is that all those employees obviously also "exposed" numerous other individuals. There are many hospitals that are not even testing their employees unless they absolutely have to because they don't want to know the results since they don't have the personnel to operate without the confirmed positive employees.

Bottom Line: Stay Home as much as you can folks!

Edit to add since seeing Zen's post: They actually are testing a vaccine in the U.S. right now. It has been injected into the first live patient (skipping animal testing). The problem is that they now have to wait 14 months before they can call it a success in order to make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease so to speak. From there it would likely be about another 4 months to mass produce the vaccine. You are right in that they have had success with some treatments and hopefully those successes prove repeatable and are not just the result of somebody being better suited to recover. The big difference too between the flu and Covid is the onset of symptoms. The flu tends to have symptoms start pretty quickly which then limits the amount of exposure. Covid you might not develop symptoms at all, or it might take up to two weeks.

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