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PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:53 am
by JenneyOC
Q: Shadowfell paint scheme would also wreck us

A: Unfortunately for this campaign there will not be any alternate paint schemes. The factory has practically vetoed this after Caverns Deep and Hellscape. So only one paint scheme in the pre-painted options. Now if you go unpainted and choose a Shadowfell scheme, PLEASE share pictures with us, because that sounds epic.

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Q: So I kinda want to get the unpainted, is there going to be Erin tutorials to paint all this cool DF goodness?

A: Yes Erin will be making painting tutorial videos for each of the environments.

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Q: will there be Add On for Pokorny Paint sets for each of the Mega Builds... and for the complete Untamed Set?

A: The paints are available right now on the DF Webstore. We do not anticipate paint add-ons at the moment. We also said this, about no new paints during Caverns Deep and some were added at the last minute in the PM. So there is always a possibility.

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Q: Are there going to be new paint colors?

A: At this time there are no new paint colors planned. We also said this, about no new paints during Caverns Deep and some were added at the last minute in the PM. So there is always a possibility.

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Q: The non-painted dwarvenite models, do they come already primed, or do I need to do that when I get them?

A: They do not come primed, but no primer is necessary. You can use most standard miniature paints (such as those made by Reaper, Citadel, etc.) or you can use Pokorny paints from Dwarven Forge (which are actually one of the best-kept secrets in gaming - a lot of paint in excellent terrain colors for much les per oz. than most brands) directly on Dwarvenite with no need for primer.

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:13 am
by JenneyOC
Q: Erin in her Erinthor Mt painting session yesterday stated that she uses blue interference paint to give it the wyvern stone look. Do you know if she uses the fine or the course blue interference paint?

A: She uses fine, and mixes it with a little black to tone it down. It's great stuff and can be used for effects that range from super subtle (like faint iridescence on raven feathers) to very dramatic. The Fine was also recommended for the Caverns Deep driftstones. It's expensive paint, but a little goes a long way.
(GeekJeff picked up this brand) https://www.amazon.com/Golden-Fluid-Acr ... 001MBKUQ0/

A: (Stefan) you must tone it down a bit....or it gets TOO SPARKLY! (But some folks might like That!)

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:12 pm
by JenneyOC
Q: How hard is it going to be to paint that water

A: Erin painted a waterfall tile here. Paint w/ Erin 1: Erinthro Mountains https://www.twitch.tv/videos/708709744? ... wX2KRa0rQ

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Q: What clear coat sealer do you recommend for those painting their sets?

A: (Elye) I've painted a crazy amount of DF terrain over the years and I generally find there's no need for any sealer. I did put a sealant on my forest pieces, simply because I spent an insane amount of time on all the details and I wanted to be extra sure nothing got damaged; I used Testor's Dullcote spray lacquer. But I have many other sets that have been in use for up to six years, stacked on top of each other, tumbled around by kids, etc. with no paint chipping.

A: (GeekJeff) I haven’t bothered with sealing mine, but I hear many swear by Testors Dullcote. All the normal precautions for sealing apply - very light spray, try for low humidity. If you have pieces you want glossy areas on like cavern water, got can go back over that with gloss medium on a brush.

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:25 am
by JenneyOC
Q: I am a bit concerned with one thing. The Glamourleaf and the other pieces with Fibre optic LEDs. How hard is it to paint them? I am worrying breaking those fibre optics and maybe even get them stuck deeply into a finger…

A: Should be relatively easy to wrap the fiber optics in masking tape and then paint away! Fibre optics fibers are quite robust as long as your not trying to break them.

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Q: Are the purple sharp rock pieces the same paint scheme as the Dwarvenite in caverns Deep?

A: No, it is slightly different, the Dwarvenite rocks are purple/blue and the wyverstone is black/blue.

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Q: Does the factory use Pokorny paint or some kind of industrial laquer?
A: The factory uses a laquer, which is like an oil paint.

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Q: Any new paint colors coming out of Wildlands?

A: We are really just using existing colors currently… though we could use purple that would be helpful, or a pre-bottled dark wash to dirty up things

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Q: Do you guys varnish the pieces after you paint them?

A: We don’t varnish the majority of stuff that we use as prototypes, as that would be too much. The paint masters for the factory do get varnished.

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Q: what Pokorny formula do you use to get that Dwarvenite Base Grey color? I end up casting my own stuff out of clay to add to my DF pieces and want them to look similar.

A: Black, base grey, earthstone, schoolbus, lava red, and cavern dry brush. It’s a pretty elaborate mixture. Mostly your pieces come already in the base grey color and this mix is usually only applicable to the prototyple paint teams, but things that are translucent and you need to fill in stone color (ie Jade Temple).

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Q: Is there a paint guide/chart that goes with each set or piece? Maybe a bunch of colored dots put next to each piece to let people know what colors are used for that pieces or series of pieces.

A: There are paint guides on the website. One of our pandemic goals were to make updated paint color guides, but that hasn’t happened as of yet.

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Q: What are your most and least favorite pieces to paint?

A: (Erin) Swamp banks bc she wants to do a lot of variation and there is a lot of detail, and it just takes a LONG time to do because of all the steps.

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Q: Is there any paint schemes that DF wanted to do for wildlands but found it a bit too much for the factory to copy? And if so what was the scheme and details that it had?

A:There is always variation. Hellscape was simple. Dreadhollow had a lot of variation. And the factory asked us to simplify it bc it was so complicated and was almost too expensive to do a second run of it.

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Q: Do either of you, or anyone in the office, like custom painting your own DF pieces (different from the factory schemes)? What unique schemes do you guys enjoy using?

A: (Erin) I dream of painting my own pieces but haven’t had time to sit down and do it. It would be nice to do something SUPER detailed for Dreadhollow or a full Autumn paint scheme. (Mace) I think everyone has a desire to do an autumn dreadhollow

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Q: Anything special you need to do to paint translucent pieces to prevent the light from leaking through (i.e. the waterfalls)

A: Similar to hellscape, to keep the light from leaking through the darker portions, you first want to put down a layer of white. This reflects the light back and keeps the light balance. Then you put a base grey (black, base gray, bubbles blue, lava red) on top of the white. Its like a purply mixture that is lighter than dungeon grey.

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:26 am
by JenneyOC
Q: so will the waterfall dwarvenite be all translucent? after production? and we will have to base paint the edges?

A: Yes. The entire piece will be cast translucent.

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Q: If Erin were trying to save money by buying unpainted pieces during the KS, which pieces would she be least willing to buy unpainted (due to the level of effort to paint)?

A: Swamp. It has the most steps. Swamp and/or forests. If you are new to painting or want something more on the simple side, the Erinthor Mtns are definitely the simplest of the paint schemes.

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Q: would you ever consider making painting videos for alternate seasons for the forest, say an autumn paint scheme?

A: That is such a cool idea, cool challenge, but it is a matter of having time. Winter might be difficult. But Autumn would be very fun.

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Q: What are your thoughts on Gloss Varnish vs Nail Polish? Like.. is buying the paint worth it, or just go with nail polish?

A: (Erin) I prefer the nail polish because a lot of the Gloss varnishes are very thick and you don’t want to water them down. It just isn’t as glossy as nail polish. When lined up with the water terrain tray it just transitions better with the nail polish gloss.

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:12 am
by JenneyOC
Q: I am thinking of getting the WP Mega build unpainted, but I am a little worried of painting those ruins pieces. Can one of the DF painters comment on the challenge rating of the paint job on that piece?

A: (Chris) Last Sunday Hamster walked through painting the ruins on our Twitch channel; they're easier than they look! The sculpt does a lot of the impressive detail work for you in the drybrush step. If you want to skip around and see some of the different steps the stream is here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/712945473

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Q: There is a small request I'd have for the upcoming painting videos. Please show us before the start all the colours you will be using in it with the exact names

A: That is a great suggestion. I will forward that to the painting team for consideration.

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Q: Question for the painters - my white DF paint came in, and I was going to start painting my hellscape pieces. Is there a cheap homemade pallete you recommend? I thought I saw someone once say to put a wet paper towel on a tray, lay some wax paper on it, and pour some paint on the wax paper so it wouldn’t dry out. No idea if that’s correct!

A: (GeekJeff) That's more of a wet pallete technique, for when you're blending. For the Hellscape paint steps where you want full coverage on the white step, you can just use a regular cheap pallete or disposable condiment cups.

A: (Knightess) For a pallete I have several plain white tiles from Home Depot. they are great for blending and when it dries you can take a scrub brush to it easy, and they go through the dishwater really well.

Re: PAINT SCHEMES / TUTORIAL

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:33 pm
by JenneyOC
Q: after painting the piece, is there a need for a varnish?

A: Definitely not on Dwarvenite. You don’t need to do any of that. It is just the nature of the material. If you want to do it, you can, it won’t hurt it. But according to Hamster, if you add a varnish, you should also consider adding a primer to the beginning.

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Q: Wondering how the factory re-creates your paint schemes, as this paint job is so amazingly detailed!

A: Keeping the color mixing to a minimum, and the painting to easy to replicate techniques (ie. Dry brushing) really helps the factory re-create our paint schemes.

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Q: how do you guys QC factory paint jobs before they go to fulfillment?

A: We mail them physical samples to look at. And we send them digital copy of the steps. They will paint up a trial copy and they mail back for approval. Then we will go back and forth until we approve their final paint scheme in reproducing it. It usually only takes a few back and forths to reach approval.

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Q: How many color schemes do you go through before deciding on a final one? Is it ever a first try goes?

A: You know what, a surprising amount of schemes. Other times it’s the first time. Ruins was probably 3 or 4 schemes. They get closer and closer together as the final scheme is narrowed to with smaller adjustments on later schemes than earlier ones.

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Q: what's the difference between a wet pallet and a dry one?

A: (Backer) a wet one is on a spongey surface and it keeps the paints wet longer so you can work with them longer. on a dry palette acrylics dry fast, so you have to use more paint.

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Q: How hard is it to paint Ruins?

A: There are quite a number of steps, but they are low precision steps. Super easy to do. And IF you have Pokorney paints, you have all pre-mixed colors for the Ruin’s paint scheme. So while there are a bunch of steps, you don’t need to mix any colors at all.
Watch Hamster do it here.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/712945473? ... zwX2KRa0rQ

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Q: Does anyone know if the unpainted waterfalls will be in translucent blue or colorless?

A: (Chris) They'll be translucent blue; Erin did a stream where she painted one and really the paint job was just putting the white foam on and painting the rocks on the sides. Of course, that's our plan. When we get into the factory run it's possible there'll be issues with them casting in that color.