I tremendously dislike terrain trays for ALL of these reasons. And every other reason on this thread so far.AnimeSensei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:02 pmPlease take this as feedback, not complaining.
I am not a real fan of them and I'll say why below.
I am not the biggest fan of the associated magnets either for the following reasons:
-They get in the way because on pieces like banks they are in the wrong places; this should have been caught before we got our pieces as it makes compatibility sometimes impossible with polarity.
-They are a lawsuit waiting to happen with kids or pets. DF states they are not toys but then shows videos every so often with kids playing with Dwarvenite to show how strong it is. If you ever get sued and say they're not for kids, those videos are going to hurt your case a lot. On top of that, if a kid dies from ingesting a magnet (or two) that's even worse.
-They increase cost
-Magnets fall out all. the. time. There are several threads about gluing your magnets after they fall out on these very forums.
-They seem to be there BECAUSE of the terrain trays or vice-versa
-I would keep magnets with the magnetic accessories as most parents won't be giving their little kids the small bits to play with, but they will potentially give them the floors/walls/corners.
In regards to the terrain trays:
-The metal is HEAVY. I have over 20 trays and I'm afraid they will break my IKEA Alex drawer and it's even supported.
-If possible, a stiff plastic, non-magnetizic option might be cheaper and still have the same look.
-They are expensive. If you don't care about magnets, cardboard works just as well for a better price. It's what WOTC does.
-The fabric overhang really ruins vertical builds. If you have to use metal, I would prefer some sort of decal over the metal instead of fabric, or a strong adhesive and a distinct edge at 12".
-I don't like the direction DF is going with terrain trays for their main layout. Plaguestone had it. It appears Wildlands has it. It looks cheap as opposed to the traditional awesomeness DF has historically provided. For what was done in Plaguestone, cardboard tiles would have been cheaper and had the same look.
Stick with sculpted stuff, it's what got DF to where it is today. DF was not a papercraft or mat company that grew into 3D terrain. It got to where it was because it pushed the envelope in visuals and tactile feel. Trays or other flat surfaces cheapen the brand in my opinion. If you are making the "world's finest dungeon terrain" then why settle?
I think DF has got too caught up in the magnets, lights, smoke, minis, and remotes and is increasing costs in those areas by cutting out something as essential as a sculpted floor/ground. People don't buy DF for the terrain trays, they buy DF for the sculpted terrain. What you're doing is owning a steak restaurant and selling fish.
I do like that you can build on a terrain tray and swoop it in, though I've never done that. I have used them to bring builds to a con and they helped there, so I do see their uses. But for the cost, it's just not worth it for me. I worry about edge wear around the metal, I worry about storage, and I don't like using the trays for a floor unless I absolutely have to; they are mainly used for their elevation ability, and then I get frustrated with the overhangs.
I really think there is a lot to work on with terrain trays, as for every 1 thing I like about them there are 4 things I don't. Maybe I'm just not the target market though. I do like them for things like the sludge, acid, etc. Something that is in a room on the floor and is FLAT (ie: not sculpted/3D), but doesn't cover a whole table.
I get water tiles are more expensive than a terrain tray, and DF keeps hitting on that point, but I never hear DF say how expensive dungeon or cavern floors are. I'm sure they cost around the same to produce.
Also, for covering a table like you do in the swamps we've seen in Wildlands, a battle mat would be cheaper if you're trying to cut costs.
They are not aesthetically pleasing, they ruin vertical builds, they are ugly when using more than one, they have cloth hanging over the edges no matter how hard you try, they are too thick so alter the build height, etc etc etc. etc.
I'll use a 4x6 mat, no problem, IF I want negative space. I MIGHT use a really nice layover (paper thin or THIN plastic) for lava and stack 3d tiles on top of it. But even then, I'd prefer to spend the money and BUY a 3d sculpted lava. Or a 3rd sculpted water.
Look at the popularity of the KS2 Water tile. It is simple and easy and WAY nicer than this negative terrain tray stuff. We have been BEGGING Stefan and Nate to a variety pack for years. We have started polls with pledges for hundreds over sets. We have planned out exactly what we want and tagged DF on it multiple times. Hell, Stefan even said he would due it but was apparently overruled by Nate.